Hi All,
We have a set of results where there are pairs of frequencies. Every natural frequency has a second, not exactly the same frequency. A quick look at the mode shapes show some differences between the two sets of results. Is this an indicator that something wrong? Perhaps the constraint equations between the twin models.
Run in Ansys15 classic. I'll be trying to get into the Class 3 error reports to see if there's a program bug related.
Asking for a friend.
Thanks,
Dan Bohlen
Senior Engineer, Stress Analysis
STAR review chairman, collateral structures
GE Aircraft Engines
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Hi Dan,
If I recall, there was an error on this many years ago in an old version,
which looks like you are running. I think the issue was with cyclic
symmetry, the duplicate sector wasn't getting the basic sector temperatures
applied to it, so for models with elevated temperatures, the material props
were evaluated at different temperatures between the base sector and
duplicate sector.
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Hi All,
We have a set of results where there are pairs of frequencies. Every
natural frequency has a second, not exactly the same frequency. A quick
look at the mode shapes show some differences between the two sets of
results. Is this an indicator that something wrong? Perhaps the
constraint equations between the twin models.
Run in Ansys15 classic. I'll be trying to get into the Class 3 error
reports to see if there's a program bug related.
Asking for a friend.
Thanks,
Dan Bohlen
Senior Engineer, Stress Analysis
STAR review chairman, collateral structures GE Aircraft Engines
1 Neumann Way
Evendale, OH 45215 USA
Build B90 Col. H5 cube BK35-251
M/D H358 Cell 513-917-3402
Building 200 Col. G3 cube BC088 Desk Phone 3-8816
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Hi Dan,
What I saw is, after prestress analysis with more than one load step and
perturbation, program tries to rematch constraint equations of nodes at
cyclic symmetric regions so if it cannot match somehow, this problem
happens with small differences like:
HI1 Mode 1 = 10000.44 Hz
HI1 Mode 2 = 10000.47 Hz
What I do is to solve runs without multiple load steps.
Regards,
Emre Erdemir
On 10 Aug 2022 Wed at 15:42 Bohlen, Dan (GE Aviation, US) dan.bohlen@ge.com
wrote:
Hi All,
We have a set of results where there are pairs of frequencies. Every
natural frequency has a second, not exactly the same frequency. A quick
look at the mode shapes show some differences between the two sets of
results. Is this an indicator that something wrong? Perhaps the
constraint equations between the twin models.
Run in Ansys15 classic. I'll be trying to get into the Class 3 error
reports to see if there's a program bug related.
Asking for a friend.
Thanks,
Dan Bohlen
Senior Engineer, Stress Analysis
STAR review chairman, collateral structures
GE Aircraft Engines
1 Neumann Way
Evendale, OH 45215 USA
Build B90 Col. H5 cube BK35-251
M/D H358 Cell 513-917-3402
Building 200 Col. G3 cube BC088 Desk Phone 3-8816
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On Aug 10, 2022, at 7:39 AM, Bohlen, Dan (GE Aviation, US) dan.bohlen@ge.com wrote:
Is this an indicator that something wrong? Perhaps the constraint equations between the twin models.
If I read you correctly, you have a model with two pretty much identical parts. Ideally the two pieces would have the same frequency and they'd have a single eigenvector. But they never do. I ran into this from time to time with models that had identical components. Like a ladder a bunch of identical rungs I think it's just an issue with the mathematics of mode extraction. It'd be interesting to see what happens when you change the method ANSYS uses for mode extraction.
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