Re: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
Beware that you have to use a harmonic axisymmetric element to do this. The legacy plane25 or newer solid273 elements have this capability, but not the conventional plane183's. I doubt WB is set up for this.
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Dear all,
I have a silly question, I am trying to apply non-Axisymmetric load to a 2D-Axisymmetric analysis in Ansys Workbench. I couldn't able to figure out a feasible way to apply nodal force to get realistic results. Is it really possible in Ansys Workbench? Any inputs would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
Prakash Mishawar
ABB Ltd.
Switzerland
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With harmonic elements the problem is determining when you have included
enough Fourier series terms to get a realistic answer. I don't think you can
get a fully bounded answer at the point of application, but you can get
good results in general. The classic demo problem is a cantilevered beam
(or doubly cantilevered). The verification check compares deflection under
load and stress at the cantilever root(s) - compared to another
approximation from beam theory. If you expect realistic stress results at
the point of application, I think you'll be disappointed - point loads are a
fiction and each Fourier term will add a little bit well beyond what is
reasonable.
These elements are a relic from the time when men were men and computers had
no silicon, but rather lots of fine wire and ferrite cores for memory. And
not much memory at that. Their advantage was efficient utilization of the
limited available resources.
Chuck Ritter
JAR Associates Inc
North Kingstown RI
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Subject: Re: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
Beware that you have to use a harmonic axisymmetric element to do this. The
legacy plane25 or newer solid273 elements have this capability, but not the
conventional plane183's. I doubt WB is set up for this.
Joseph T Metrisin
Structures Lead
Florida Turbine Technologies, Inc
1701 Military Tr. Suite 110
Jupiter, FL 33458 U.S.A.
+1 (561)427-6346 Office
(561)427-6191 Fax
JMetrisin@fttinc.com
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Subject: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
Dear all,
I have a silly question, I am trying to apply non-Axisymmetric load to a
2D-Axisymmetric analysis in Ansys Workbench. I couldn't able to figure out a
feasible way to apply nodal force to get realistic results. Is it really
possible in Ansys Workbench? Any inputs would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
Prakash Mishawar
ABB Ltd.
Switzerland
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I think sir, you just called me a relic.
I resemble that remark :)
Apart from that I agree with your summary. By the time you have enough
harmonics you might just as well have used a regular mesh.
Tony Firmin
Firmin Associates
...........
tfirm@rogers.com
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Subject: Re: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
With harmonic elements the problem is determining when you have included
enough Fourier series terms to get a realistic answer. I don't think you can
get a fully bounded answer at the point of application, but you can get
good results in general. The classic demo problem is a cantilevered beam
(or doubly cantilevered). The verification check compares deflection under
load and stress at the cantilever root(s) - compared to another
approximation from beam theory. If you expect realistic stress results at
the point of application, I think you'll be disappointed - point loads are a
fiction and each Fourier term will add a little bit well beyond what is
reasonable.
These elements are a relic from the time when men were men and computers had
no silicon, but rather lots of fine wire and ferrite cores for memory. And
not much memory at that. Their advantage was efficient utilization of the
limited available resources.
Chuck Ritter
JAR Associates Inc
North Kingstown RI
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Metrisin, Joe (FTTINC)
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Subject: Re: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
Beware that you have to use a harmonic axisymmetric element to do this. The
legacy plane25 or newer solid273 elements have this capability, but not the
conventional plane183's. I doubt WB is set up for this.
Joseph T Metrisin
Structures Lead
Florida Turbine Technologies, Inc
1701 Military Tr. Suite 110
Jupiter, FL 33458 U.S.A.
+1 (561)427-6346 Office
(561)427-6191 Fax
JMetrisin@fttinc.com
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Subject: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
Dear all,
I have a silly question, I am trying to apply non-Axisymmetric load to a
2D-Axisymmetric analysis in Ansys Workbench. I couldn't able to figure out a
feasible way to apply nodal force to get realistic results. Is it really
possible in Ansys Workbench? Any inputs would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
Prakash Mishawar
ABB Ltd.
Switzerland
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Hi, Tony
From one relic to another. Like you, I had to haul boxes of Hollerith cards
to the mainframe - with about 1mb of core memory - and haul boxes of output
paper back to my office and make sense of it, often referring to a x-y bed
plotter wireframe/vector plot.
Chuck Ritter
JAR Associates, Inc
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Tony Firmin
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
I think sir, you just called me a relic.
I resemble that remark :)
Apart from that I agree with your summary. By the time you have enough
harmonics you might just as well have used a regular mesh.
Tony Firmin
Firmin Associates
...........
tfirm@rogers.com
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Chuck Ritter
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Subject: Re: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
With harmonic elements the problem is determining when you have included
enough Fourier series terms to get a realistic answer. I don't think you can
get a fully bounded answer at the point of application, but you can get
good results in general. The classic demo problem is a cantilevered beam
(or doubly cantilevered). The verification check compares deflection under
load and stress at the cantilever root(s) - compared to another
approximation from beam theory. If you expect realistic stress results at
the point of application, I think you'll be disappointed - point loads are a
fiction and each Fourier term will add a little bit well beyond what is
reasonable.
These elements are a relic from the time when men were men and computers had
no silicon, but rather lots of fine wire and ferrite cores for memory. And
not much memory at that. Their advantage was efficient utilization of the
limited available resources.
Chuck Ritter
JAR Associates Inc
North Kingstown RI
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Subject: Re: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
Beware that you have to use a harmonic axisymmetric element to do this. The
legacy plane25 or newer solid273 elements have this capability, but not the
conventional plane183's. I doubt WB is set up for this.
Joseph T Metrisin
Structures Lead
Florida Turbine Technologies, Inc
1701 Military Tr. Suite 110
Jupiter, FL 33458 U.S.A.
+1 (561)427-6346 Office
(561)427-6191 Fax
JMetrisin@fttinc.com
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Prakash Mishawar
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 3:06 AM
To: xansys-temp@xansystest.info
Subject: [Xansys] 2D Axisymmetric Analysis with non-Axisymmetric load
Dear all,
I have a silly question, I am trying to apply non-Axisymmetric load to a
2D-Axisymmetric analysis in Ansys Workbench. I couldn't able to figure out a
feasible way to apply nodal force to get realistic results. Is it really
possible in Ansys Workbench? Any inputs would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
Prakash Mishawar
ABB Ltd.
Switzerland
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