[STRUCT] sparse solver must be used if MPC184 elements

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Kelly, Andrew
Wed, Dec 14, 2016 2:33 PM

I'm using Mechanical Application [workbench[ V17.

I have a model where I want to output average rotation of the deformed shape in degrees.

I first tried adding a free body-ground joint to a face.  Next I tried adding a remote point to the same face and hard-coding its tracking via command objects.  In both cases, I get the solver error below.  Solve time goes from ~2 minutes (PCG) to ~30 minutes (sparse out-of-core).

*** WARNING *** The sparse solver must be used if any current technology elements with u-P formulation or MPC184 elements using Lagrangian multiplier are included in the model.  The equation solver option has been switched to the sparse solver.

Both methods are described here.
https://www.simutechgroup.com/tips-and-tricks/fea-articles/187-fea-tips-tricks-ansys-face-translation-rotation

Is there any way to measure average rotation of a face, edge, etc. that DOESN'T require the sparse solver?

-- Andrew

Andrew Kelly, P.E.
Engineering Manager, Load
Honeywell | Sensing & Productivity Solutions
2080 Arlingate Lane
Columbus, OH 43228
Office:  614.850.7818
Toll Free:  800.848.6564
Fax:  614.850.1111

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I'm using Mechanical Application [workbench[ V17. I have a model where I want to output average rotation of the deformed shape in degrees. I first tried adding a free body-ground joint to a face. Next I tried adding a remote point to the same face and hard-coding its tracking via command objects. In both cases, I get the solver error below. Solve time goes from ~2 minutes (PCG) to ~30 minutes (sparse out-of-core). *** WARNING *** The sparse solver must be used if any current technology elements with u-P formulation or MPC184 elements using Lagrangian multiplier are included in the model. The equation solver option has been switched to the sparse solver. Both methods are described here. https://www.simutechgroup.com/tips-and-tricks/fea-articles/187-fea-tips-tricks-ansys-face-translation-rotation Is there any way to measure average rotation of a face, edge, etc. that *DOESN'T* require the sparse solver? -- Andrew Andrew Kelly, P.E. Engineering Manager, Load Honeywell | Sensing & Productivity Solutions 2080 Arlingate Lane Columbus, OH 43228 Office: 614.850.7818 Toll Free: 800.848.6564 Fax: 614.850.1111 andrew.kelly@honeywell.com<mailto:andrew.kelly@honeywell.com> measurementsensors.honeywell.com Twitter: @HoneywellNow
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Wall, Thomas (GE Aviation, US)
Wed, Dec 14, 2016 3:18 PM

Andrew,

You could try adding the following command to allow using the PCG solver for MPC184 elements

PCGOPT,,,,,,,ON

Thomas Wall
Senior Engineer
STAR review chairman, CDN
ATO-CDT Mechanical Analysis
GE Aviation

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Subject: EXT: [Xansys] [STRUCT] sparse solver must be used if MPC184 elements

I'm using Mechanical Application [workbench[ V17.

I have a model where I want to output average rotation of the deformed shape in degrees.

I first tried adding a free body-ground joint to a face.  Next I tried adding a remote point to the same face and hard-coding its tracking via command objects.  In both cases, I get the solver error below.  Solve time goes from ~2 minutes (PCG) to ~30 minutes (sparse out-of-core).

*** WARNING *** The sparse solver must be used if any current technology elements with u-P formulation or MPC184 elements using Lagrangian multiplier are included in the model.  The equation solver option has been switched to the sparse solver.

Both methods are described here.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.simutechgroup.com_tips-2Dand-2Dtricks_fea-2Darticles_187-2Dfea-2Dtips-2Dtricks-2Dansys-2Dface-2Dtranslation-2Drotation&d=DQICAg&c=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSI&r=BZ-AGOJmbGOpFr3ke3sTmoyUEH8nlUgoIbZuI0Y5NJg&m=XHir3akGWKsHsO3Qu1DYPErC4bQzUkxnBzBhpY5P3KQ&s=PGjrDiDZbslPMDLESNx5DbKy6stdyC5_-MW73t2gVkM&e=

Is there any way to measure average rotation of a face, edge, etc. that DOESN'T require the sparse solver?

-- Andrew

Andrew Kelly, P.E.
Engineering Manager, Load
Honeywell | Sensing & Productivity Solutions
2080 Arlingate Lane
Columbus, OH 43228
Office:  614.850.7818
Toll Free:  800.848.6564
Fax:  614.850.1111

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Andrew, You could try adding the following command to allow using the PCG solver for MPC184 elements PCGOPT,,,,,,,ON Thomas Wall Senior Engineer STAR review chairman, CDN ATO-CDT Mechanical Analysis GE Aviation -----Original Message----- From: Xansys-temp [mailto:xansys-temp-bounces@xansystest.info] On Behalf Of Kelly, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 9:34 AM To: xansys-temp@xansystest.info Subject: EXT: [Xansys] [STRUCT] sparse solver must be used if MPC184 elements I'm using Mechanical Application [workbench[ V17. I have a model where I want to output average rotation of the deformed shape in degrees. I first tried adding a free body-ground joint to a face. Next I tried adding a remote point to the same face and hard-coding its tracking via command objects. In both cases, I get the solver error below. Solve time goes from ~2 minutes (PCG) to ~30 minutes (sparse out-of-core). *** WARNING *** The sparse solver must be used if any current technology elements with u-P formulation or MPC184 elements using Lagrangian multiplier are included in the model. The equation solver option has been switched to the sparse solver. Both methods are described here. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.simutechgroup.com_tips-2Dand-2Dtricks_fea-2Darticles_187-2Dfea-2Dtips-2Dtricks-2Dansys-2Dface-2Dtranslation-2Drotation&d=DQICAg&c=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSI&r=BZ-AGOJmbGOpFr3ke3sTmoyUEH8nlUgoIbZuI0Y5NJg&m=XHir3akGWKsHsO3Qu1DYPErC4bQzUkxnBzBhpY5P3KQ&s=PGjrDiDZbslPMDLESNx5DbKy6stdyC5_-MW73t2gVkM&e= Is there any way to measure average rotation of a face, edge, etc. that *DOESN'T* require the sparse solver? -- Andrew Andrew Kelly, P.E. Engineering Manager, Load Honeywell | Sensing & Productivity Solutions 2080 Arlingate Lane Columbus, OH 43228 Office: 614.850.7818 Toll Free: 800.848.6564 Fax: 614.850.1111 andrew.kelly@honeywell.com<mailto:andrew.kelly@honeywell.com> measurementsensors.honeywell.com Twitter: @HoneywellNow _______________________________________________ Xansys-temp mailing list Xansys-temp@xansystest.info https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__xansystest.info_mailman_listinfo_xansys-2Dtemp-5Fxansystest.info&d=DQICAg&c=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSI&r=BZ-AGOJmbGOpFr3ke3sTmoyUEH8nlUgoIbZuI0Y5NJg&m=XHir3akGWKsHsO3Qu1DYPErC4bQzUkxnBzBhpY5P3KQ&s=7CEmmNag4HOOcCnnYUWIdjAPpB0hjGmEipFXaNtXJgU&e= If you are receiving too many emails from XANSYS please consider changing account settings to Digest mode which will send a single email per day. Please send administrative requests such as deletion from XANSYS to xansys-mod@tynecomp.co.uk and not to the list